[Meatloaf] Stephan Wolfram essay on time & space

[Cindy Eldenburg]

I challenge your 'slightly different' - just ask a sibling about a 
particular incident that happened to you.  They will likely tell a 
vastly different story than the one you remember :)

Cindy

On 10/23/2024 7:53 AM, Dave Daniel wrote:
> Official Joe's Spoon Reflector.
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> All your base are belong to us. You are on the way to destruction.
> You have no chance to survive make your time. HA HA HA HA...
> For great justice.
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> Also, it is known that each time one remembers a particular past 
> experience, what one "remembers" is slightly different than the 
> original experience, and the rememberance is slightly different than 
> other renemberances of the same experience.
>
> DaveD
> KC0WJN
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> Thanks for all the fish.
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>> On Oct 23, 2024, at 00:57, frank.szeflinski at gmail.com wrote:
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>> Official Joe's Spoon Reflector.
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>> All your base are belong to us. You are on the way to destruction.
>> You have no chance to survive make your time. HA HA HA HA...
>> For great justice.
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>> Dear Uncle:
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>> I have noticed that the past is not as immutable as some might 
>> otherwise believe.  Just an example might be what really happened on 
>> January 6th, 2021.  Riot, insurrection, peaceful demonstration?
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>> Having lived through historical events, I find that time and 
>> introspection change the way I think about my personal experience of 
>> them.  How I integrate them into the story I  tell myself.  This same 
>> mutability also occurs in more personal memories, as I continue to 
>> change in the here/now.
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>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2024, 3:30 PM Jeff Hayas <jeff.hayas at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>     Official Joe's Spoon Reflector.
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>>     All your base are belong to us. You are on the way to destruction.
>>     You have no chance to survive make your time. HA HA HA HA...
>>     For great justice.
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>>     Folks --
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>>     Most of us Sci-Fi fans have little trouble with time-travel
>>     stories in which the past is changed, and consequently "the present".
>>     In these scenarios, when the time-travelers return to "the
>>     present", they find that no one is aware of any change, even if
>>     it is radical.
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>>     I theorize that the inverse might also be true. I find that most
>>     folks presume that the Past is "Real", that since it has a
>>     recorded historical record, if only in our memory, then it
>>     somehow still exists. Likewise we define the Future as "hasn't
>>     happened yet", and so it has no existence, save in "Works of
>>     Fiction".
>>     And yet we can imagine with certainty future consequences of
>>     current actions (like jumping off a cliff), even though they have
>>     not yet happened.
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>>     WHAT IF like Einstein we play a thought-experiment and discard
>>     the notion of linear-time, at least in the sense of
>>     Past-vs-Future being different, and instead define them both as
>>     projections from the Not-Now.  In this theory, the only reality
>>     is the Here-Now, and both past and future are cause-effect or
>>     effect-cause projections. Thus when we take action in the
>>     Here-Now, both Past and Future are altered.? Nearly all of us
>>     readily accept the idea that the Future can be changed by current
>>     actions, and by the common concept of linear time find it absurd
>>     that the Past can be altered. But suppose it could happen that
>>     way. How would this change our concept of time, of history, of fate?
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>>     The physicists reading this would scream about cause-effect,
>>     relativistic light-cones, conservation of energy, entropy, etc.
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>>     But no one raises these same complaints when radical
>>     quantum-theory talks about "The Multiverse" (which I find absurd).
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>>     Ah, vot-der-hell, maybe several beers will clear my mind of these
>>     crazed ideas.
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>>     -- Uncle Ersatz
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>>     On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 at 20:57, pt <mnemotronic at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>         Official Joe's Spoon Reflector.
>>
>>         All your base are belong to us. You are on the way to
>>         destruction.
>>         You have no chance to survive make your time. HA HA HA HA...
>>         For great justice.
>>
>>         In essence, therefore, we experience time because of the
>>         interplay between our computational boundedness as observers,
>>         and the computational irreducibility of underlying processes
>>         in the universe. If we were not computationally bounded, we
>>         could “perceive the whole of the future in one gulp” and we
>>         wouldn’t need a notion of time at all. And if there wasn’t
>>         underlying computational irreducibility there wouldn’t be the
>>         kind of “progressive revealing of the future” that we
>>         associate with our experience of time.
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>>         https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2024/10/on-the-nature-of-time/
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